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Created by AndyJ on 20 Jan 2016 12:49

AndyJ on 23 Jan 2016 09:35

Funnily enough, I said to the Mrs, last night, I was going to get it into the living room at some point. Just need a small ramp to get over the one step. 

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Owain on 23 Jan 2016 09:47

Or maybe just man up and wheelie it in. 

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cuj on 24 Jan 2016 11:35

Hey Owain the tyres are Bridgestone BT023's. I've got an older version of that tyre on it at present and have been pretty happy with them for the type of riding I do.

We always camp in the IoM at a place called Glenlough, which is on the TT course. It means we can watch from the roadside with a load of cider if we want, but normally we head out on the bikes to a spot from where we can ride to other viewing spots while the racing is on, so we aren't stuck in just one place. This year we will be there for race week and mad Sunday, that's gonna be scary.

I currently have an itch for a new bike which needs scratching. Have been attracted to Ducatis for a while so I'm booking test rides on the 848 Evo and 1198 to start with.

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Owain on 24 Jan 2016 14:21

Yeah the new Ducatis look lovely, but I find myself going off the silly fast stuff these days. Maybe I'm too old. 

Think my bike came with BT021s which I didn't like much, don't think I've ever had the 23s to let us know how you get on with them. 

I gotta get me to the TT one year, just one of those I've never gotten around to and wouldn't really know where to start. 

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cuj on 25 Jan 2016 21:22

Test riding a Ducati 848 Evo and a Triumph Daytona 675R on Thursday. Looking forward to riding a different sports bike as up until now only ridden my CBR.

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Owain on 25 Jan 2016 21:24

If you're not using it on track, give the standard 675 a go. The R is a bit much on the road. 

Love the 848 though. 

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cuj on 26 Jan 2016 10:02

Cheers Owain, I'll keep that in mind.

Have any of you guys done a novice trackday? Curious to know whether you felt it was value for money and you learned much from it? I'm thinking of doing a session at Brands in March.

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Owain on 26 Jan 2016 10:07

Yeah I've done five or six over the past couple of years. 

They're awesome. If you've never done one, you need to - there's nothing else that compares to being able to just gun the throttle down the straights or tear round corners without worrying about speed cameras or police. 

I'll be looking to do some more this year at some point, maybe I'll see you there. You'll learn so much and will want to keep going back for more. 

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cuj on 26 Jan 2016 11:25

Sounds like a good recommendation. I've ridden very fast in the IoM but some tuition would help me even further, as nailing the corners every time is more satisfying than flat out speed. Watched 'twist of the wrist 2' this morning and while its infuriatingly wooden acting, it gets the point over about technique pretty well. Looking forward to trying some of that out.

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Owain on 26 Jan 2016 11:31

Ooh, you should have watched the abridged version mate, it's got the half hour of gay porn cut out.


The thing I love about trackdays is that (fairly obviously) the track never changes, so you can really work on nailing each corner one-by-one without worrying that this time there'll be a van parked on the road, or gravel, or the corner is tighter than you expected. Just time and time again you can keep at it and really feel yourself getting better. 

The only frustrating thing at Brands is that they tend to do four groups of either 15 or 20 minutes, so there's a fair bit of standing around doing nothing. 

It's well worth paying £20 for a session with an instructor too. If you really fancy it, look into the California Superbike School at Brands and Silverstone, I'd quite like to do that at some point this year once I get my exhaust sorted, it's too loud for the noise tests at the moment. 

Lots of bike porn at tracks as well, plus they're basically the safest place to crash if you're going to push yourself. I'd rather crash at 100mph on a track than 40mph on the road any day. 

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cuj on 26 Jan 2016 11:51

Ah I couldn't work out what that version of the film was, hence why I watched the extended one 😂

Also familiar with CSS, comes highly recommended by all accounts. Agreed track best place to hone skills, would like to get my knee down this year...

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Owain on 26 Jan 2016 11:54

Annoyingly I was doing really well then I crashed at Snetterton and it's completely destroyed my track confidence, and I never got it back before the end of the year. Just can't get over the mental block of leaning the bike over that much, so either I have to really go for it and get lots of training and track time or just accept I'm never going to be a very fast rider and move on. 


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cuj on 26 Jan 2016 12:03

Epic gif, massive cringe 😂👍

sorry to hear about your off, hope bike wasn't too damaged, what happened? Confidence is so important it's untrue. One skittish moment can have you in a world of trouble if you let it dent your confidence. I've never crashed but had a few moments, I always try not to repeat whatever I did wrong. Every ride is a new experience, so much more challenging yet satisfying in contrast to driving. My interest in fast cars has totally disappeared.

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Owain on 26 Jan 2016 12:18

The bike wasn't too bad, it landed on the side without the exhaust so it was just the front subframe that needed replacing then cosmetics. I busted my shoulder up pretty badly but it was good as new about six months later. I was going around a hairpin in the half-wet/half-dry and the back wheel stepped out on a wet bit then normally would have either recovered or low-sided, but it then hit a dry bit and threw me over the top instead. I can't say for sure, but almost certainly I would have chopped the throttle when it started to slip which will have made it much worse too. If I had more experience then I could possibly have just ridden it out. 

You're absolutely right about the confidence, that's all it is. Trust in the bike is absolutely everything, just knowing that the bike can do what you're asking of it and not panicking is pretty much all it takes, but that's easier to say than do. 

I think what I really need is for someone to just tell me that slipping the back doesn't necessarily mean certain death. I need a few moments where the back kicks out and I recover to restore my confidence in it. I've had one or two on the road and to be honest I reckon I could do with more. It's like you build up your confidence by having little slips and moments, but then it only takes one crash to knock you back down to where you started. 

Agree on the car front too - cars just seem heavy, slow and expensive now. Trying to make a fast car feels so futile - every time you accellerate it just sounds so laboured, like you're asking the engine to do something iit doesn't want to do. Then you get your brakes red hot trying to scrub off the speed fucking up your tyres just to screech round a corner and then try it all again. Bikes feel like they're just absolutely built for the purpose out of the factory and even ragging the nuts off it on a track you don't feel like you're doing it any damage. You could buy yourself a £1k beaten-up shitter of a bike and go round a track with more speed and enjoyment than in a £100k Porsche. 

Plus I really like the challenge of it being really difficult. I got rid of the Peugeot not only because I needed the money but because I felt I'd kinda mastered it. It was FWD with limited power and I used to love caning it round corners but after a while there was just nothing much more to do. 

With bikes you will simply never be as good as you're going to get. 

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cuj on 26 Jan 2016 13:06

Glad to hear it wasn't more serious and you made a full recovery, any off on a bike has the potential to be nasty to both yourself and your wallet. Guess that's one good thing about cars, you can often get away with an error whereas on a bike you have to be very fortunate to control a move that gets woefully out of shape. I tend to find that I let the bike initially do what it wants if I feel it stepping out or slipping, rather than trying to correct it myself which will end up in panic mode. Easier said than done of course and you don't know how you'll react if that circumstance arises as there are so many variables. Gaining experience of riding in all conditions (just snow I haven't tried!) has stood me in good stead in case the weather changes while I'm out. I did 300+ miles yesterday in cool and pretty windy conditions, mainly on the M4 with a country blat built in. Got home completely exhausted due to the effort required riding against the wind. Not experienced fatigue like it and it hurt a lot while I was still out on the bike, my neck is also fooked today. What I enjoy most about owning a bike is that, like you suggest, it's something which is a huge challenge that we will probably never fully master, but can vastly improve our skills and ability. It's pretty cool learning something new every time you go out.

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